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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2009, 01:14:36 PM »

OK, thanks for the info update... Yes, waiting for 1.2 to be fully developed and tested sounds like a good plan...

Resume Speed Admin...<:-))

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2009, 03:11:09 PM »

[...] so I can only imagine that the new stuff will make it a fun toy as well [...]
Exactly.  No change to the core functionality, which so far everyone has assured us that we did a good job on.  We're not going to fix anything that's not broken... just added "features" since according to some of the forums it appears some people are being persuaded to choose a different unit because of non-essential features it has that ours does not.

Since I have a Scangauge II, I selfishly vote for that as the way to program rather than digging around in the back, taking off the cover and flipping switches.
I think we'll make it so you can do either.  If you have an SG you'll just be able to achieve more functionality and it will obviously be easier to make changes when you want to. But if the customer doesn't have an SG, they can still get some of the functionality.

Have you considered a "swap" program where we give you a payment to cover the lender or upgraded unit that you send out. We swap it for the existing one and send ours either for reprogramming or to replace the upgraded one you sent. That way, we don't have to go through cc withdrawal while  our units are being reprogrammed.

Considered, yes.  And I agree that's the ideal way to do it from the customer point of view and in fact that is how we handled most of the Voluntary Recall #1 (relating to the wiper control).  But the fact of the matter is the unit you send back is now a used item and we can't legally represent it as new after that.  So for a version or feature upgrade, I can't really see anyway to do a swap.  It pretty well has to be your unit being reprogrammed and returned back to you.  If we had a great deal of units being returned and had a stockpile of "refurbished" units lying around then we could swap those out, but I guess a side-effect (if you can call it that) of having such an excellent track record right out the gate is that nobody's returned any!  I think we have 3 units (2 testers + 1 return) but that's likely not a large enough pool to keep up with a swap program.  We can try it on a first-come, first-served basis where the first three peaple get a swap out and the forth has to wait for one of the first three to send theirs back.  Maybe that'll work... I'll think on that.
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2009, 03:13:13 PM »

Resume Speed Admin...<:-))

I wasn't sure if by that you meant simply, "carry on" or if you were suggesting we add a feature for resuming speed.   If the latter, its already in there!

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2009, 06:16:25 PM »

"carry on" Art... Your doing a G00D Job...<:-))

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2009, 09:38:14 PM »

Are you going to combine the "pedal mapping" with the "pulse-and-glide mapping" discussed a little while ago?
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2009, 11:10:53 PM »

No, likely not.  Perhaps for a later version upgrade.  We don't want to suffer from feature creep.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2009, 11:38:57 AM »

If you're serious about having 3 units to use as a swap program, consider me "signed up." If Steven doesn't still have my credit card number on file, let me know and I'll email it to him.
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2009, 12:50:44 PM »

Are you going to combine the "pedal mapping" with the "pulse-and-glide mapping" discussed a little while ago?

I looked at this again this morning, and it might be possible - heavy emphasis on the "might".  If, programically speaking, we can keep that coding separate enough from the rest of the code such that there's no way it impacts the other code if the person hasn't turned it "on" then we may make it into this release.  However... a ScanGauge will probably be required to activate it.  The 6 dip switches I mentioned before are expected to be reserved as follows for V1.2 (default in brackets):

1 - [North American] or World version.  This setting makes the unit portable
2 - Enable on-board options True or [False] * (see notes below)
3 - Disable overshoot protection True or [False].
4 - Retain last set speed in memory True or [False].  This will allow you to use resume after shutting the car off as some people have requested.
5 - Pedal map selector A [Off] or On
6 - Pedal map selector B [Off] or On
 
Option 2 or 3 could be replaced with the pulse and glide I suppose.  Frankly none of the options have been in terribly high demand.  But I figure requiring an SGII for the P&G makes sense because the user would likely want to monitor fuel economy on the fly, which the SGII is perfect for.
 
* It seems like a waste at first appearance to use an option switch just for turning on or off the ability to use the other options, but I think we have to do it this way because we want people to be able to use an SGII to program by default.  If we didn't have an "option on/off" switch then every time you restart the car, the cruise will see what options are set on-board and then override the SG setting that is in memory.  So instead it will work like this:
 
Is Setting 2 set to True?  If yes then read options from Settings 3 thru 6.  If no then ignore switches and read Settings 3 thru 6 from memory (and use defaults if they don't exist).
 
Setting 1 will always only be available through the on-board switch and not an SG. This is because there is never any reason at all to switch this setting more than just once, and improperly setting it will render the cruise (temporarily) useless.  Settings 3 thru 6 are all going to be settable via an SG as well as possibly other settings.
 
Setting 5 (Pedal Map A) and 6 (Pedal Map B) work together and form a simple matrix as follows:
 
A-OFF, B-OFF = Normal pedal map (unmodified)
A-ON, B-OFF = Alternate map 1 (eg. Aggressive linear)
A-OFF, B-ON = Alternate map 2 (eg. Econo mode)
A-ON, B-ON = Alternate map 3 (eg. Bat Out of Hell mode)
 
 
Some may want to note that the SG doesn't work very well, if at all, on non-North American smarts.  However, there may be a similar device we aren't aware of that can do the same thing.  When I mention the Scangauge ("SG" or "SGII") I'm only singling it out because it is well known and probably the most common device, but ANY device that can send a CANBUS message should be able to program the cruise. 
 
I also should note:  any device which SENDS information on the CANBUS network has the potential to cause conflicts with the car's computer.  This should be rare and it should also cause no lasting problem beyond a stored "Communication Fault" code and a check engine light (which you can then read and clear using the SG).  Temporary symptom may include flashing lights on your dash and a car that won't start, but power cycling the car with the SG removed should resolve that issue.  Remember that the Area 451 cruise control is a READ ONLY device so it has no potential to cause this issue, but devices such as the SGII are READ WRITE devices.  My point is that because of this potential, we recommend you never attempt to program the cruise settings while driving!  There's not going to be anything to stop you from doing so, but if it causes a conflict at that moment then it could be dangerous.  There should be higher odds of winning a small lottery, but still.  As always, drive safe.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2009, 10:11:19 PM »

I vote for the Scanguage programmable options.  I think pedal mapping sounds like it can be a fun feature.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 05:12:04 AM »

Art,
 As usual, you guys are "on the ball"  :P

I for one, appreciate all your effort and I vote for the SGII option also  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 08:43:24 AM »

~Area 451~Compatibility for this MOD~Yes or No~

Kiwi MPG Meter, Trip Computer, Engine Check Scan Tool, OBD2 OBDII Gauge
ScanGauge II 3-in-1 Compact Multifunction Vehicle Computer with Customizable Display by Linear Logic
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »

The ScanGauge II is yes... it is the product we're talking about above.  So long as it is a recent enough version that it has its CMNDS feature, which I think it has for a long time now. Not to be confused with its newer X-Gauge feature which is a nice feature but is not related to what we're doing.

The Kiwi is NOT compatible, no.  They have a very nice looking unit but I already asked them and it can't send arbitrary CAN commands.  Well, I'm sure it *can* do it, but they haven't programmed it to do so and they showed no interest (to me) in providing that functionality.

Art

ps. I've adjusted your links to take people directly to the manufacturer site rather than stores that sell it.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 12:07:24 PM »

Art,

I see you've been busy since we last talked... In all honesty, my request had gotten lost in the shuffle of my life and I'd forgotten about it. That being said, do you have any anticipated roll out? I have a SGII and if it's available I'd love to have the programming in for the Dragon run at the end of September.

Thanks for all you do,
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 11:44:17 PM »

I should be able to have something by then.  I plan to finish up the coding pretty well within this next week I hope, and then spend some time doing extensive local testing.  Then I'll post here asking for a couple "beta testers", for lack of a better term.  "Beta" means it works perfectly for our test car and the only thing that could go wrong is an unforseen interaction with components that may exist in other cars.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2009, 07:43:57 PM »

I should be able to have something by then.  I plan to finish up the coding pretty well within this next week I hope, and then spend some time doing extensive local testing.  Then I'll post here asking for a couple "beta testers", for lack of a better term.  "Beta" means it works perfectly for our test car and the only thing that could go wrong is an unforseen interaction with components that may exist in other cars.

Rockin!!!! Please put me at the top of the list for the beta testers. What better way to show it off than on The Dragon with 100 other smarts!!  ;D
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